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      Default What is the diffrence between a Margin Call and a Stop Out?

      Can anyone tell us what is the difference between a Margin Call and a Stop Out, or are they the same thing?


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      I was hoping to have had many answers to this question but since there is none yet, here is my answer.

      Margin call and stop out are often confused one with the other. A lot of traders (not all), think that a margin call is the same thing as a stop out. Often they refer to Margin call as the fact that their account was emptied of all funds as the result of a bad trade. Actually, that was not a margin call, it was a stop out and depending on the stop out level of your broker, you can lose all your money as the result of a bad trade.

      So what is the MARGIN CALL and what is the STOP OUT.

      MARGIN CALL
      This is the warning that your broker gives to you to tell you that the totality of your open trades have fallen below the required percentage of the total allowed margin and you are being called to do one of three things viz (1) Close the very bad trades and leave open the not so bad trades (2) Close all trades at loss and wait for better opportunity with smaller equity or (3) Add more money to your trading account to increase your margin and stop the margin call alert.

      STOP OUT
      A stop out is when the broker totally closes your open trades that have gotten to the stop out level. The stop out level usually a percentage set by the broker and made known to traders and it is the level at which the broker cuts trades that have fallen below the required margin requirement. When a stop out occurs, the worse trades are closed off first and then the other trades are closed when they also hit the stop out level.

      THE DIFFERENCE.

      The Margin call is simply a warning (FLASHING RED) asking to deposit more funds or close the trades before they are stopped out, while a Stop out is a the actual closing of all open trades by the broker when they fall below the stipulate stop out level. So when next you lose all your money, it is not a margin call you but you got a stop out because you did not heed the margin call warning.


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      If the money in your account (we call as Balance) falls below the requested margin (margin that can be use), the broker will close some or even all current orders. That means broker are prevents the trader account from falling into a negative balance, usually it is happen in a moment of highly volatile, gap and fast moving market.

      In order to avoid and make us far away from the margin call or even stop out, we must limit the risk of loss each time we enter position in the market it can be use stop loss option, regardless of any trading strategy we use. If we not limiting our risk of loss that means we are trading by risking all funds we have in our trading account for each order we have in the market. Trading without limiting the risk (stop loss option) is same with driving car with maximum speed but without having a brakes so that means it is very dangerous. Without using stop loss, disaster will come to us, margin call or even stop out will visit our trading accounts.
      Experienced traders will suggest risk ratio ranging from 2% to 10% of current equity (not a balance).
      The calculations of Equity is Balance + Floating profit or loss
      Floating profit is an open position in profit and visa versa Floating loss is an open position that is being loss.
      If there is no open position then it's called Equity, Equity is same with Balance.


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      Well the difference is that margin call is the point where your money cannot sustain the position that you have opened while trading, maybe we even need to understand the concepts of margin first, when you enter the market with your small capital, the forex broker usually gives you an extra boost through leverage and margins so that with your small balance you are able to trade with much higher account value, but a time comes when this falls significantly to the extent that the forex broker assistance is threatened, it is at this point that they will decide to withdraw their support and your account suffers from margin call.

      Stop out means you can still trade after your account has reached some levels by adjustment of your leverage, whereas with a margin call, that is not possible because every thing is gone.


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      There is no difference between a stop out and margin call, they are basically the same and can be used interchangeably, even if there is any difference between these two concepts, none of them is positive and as traders that wants to be successful, we cannot allow our account to be so low that it falls at the risk of being annihilated. Risks management is crucial you must never take this for granted.

      Stop out means you set up a stop loss and you got stopped from the market when you position was hit in negative, but a margin call can be described as the total wiping of your account, a stop out can be a margin call at the same time, it depends on our trading lot, whether we used the right size is a determining thing that could make us lose our account unduly.

      IIf you are sure you want your account to experience some real growth, never jeopardize the opportunity to earn from the next trading opportunity by using a higher lot than is necessary for the safety of your money.


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      If a trader do not know what is Margin call then that is the warn from Broker to tell us about the totality of all order we open on the market fallen under procentage of the total allowed margins. When our order flashing red in the order coloumn, that what we can do is reinvest or closed some order we have. Before creating new trading account we should know or read the trading rules of the Broker you choose because usually Broker will explain the level of margin you have from the leverage option you will use. The explanation of Stop out can be found among the trade rules. Stop out occurs if we ignore the warning from Margin call.


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      In my own opinion and with what I have experience a margin call can occurs when there are not enough funds in your trading account to open trades.
      but most of the time traders knows this and they wouldn't bother to open a trade

      And this also happen mostly when our floating losses are greater than the minimum margin required.

      And then we will get notification from our brokers to replenish our account

      And stop out is when all open position may are closed at some certain level ranging from broker to broker, just to protect our trading capital, spend brokers do this when their client capital reduce up to 50% bit I don't think instaforex offers this


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      Brokers give traders to understand about the margin call the following line in the terminal is highlighted in red
      Margin call is the critical level at which a trader brokers a signal about the need to fill your account for future opportunities to trade. If the funds are not deposited into the account, and the free margin rate will fall even lower, then come forward and the final stage for the Deposit trader stops (stop out). Stop is the trader's rate of funds, Deposit (free margin) under the terms of the broker unable to block any further losses. At the end of the contract to open a trader's account see that if it reaches stop out level, the trade will be blocked. This is called the stop-out rate. It should be noted that if you have multiple trades open, stop (stop out) is not instantaneous. At first, the broker will increase the rate and increase your margins for free by taking turns forcing the closing of the transaction. This will allow the merchant some time to keep the position open. But if the loss will continue to grow, it will consistently close all trades, and trade will be blocked.


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      These two terms are basically used interchangeably with each other depending on the context but in the actual fact they don't mean one and same thing. While Margin Call is a message with a request by the forex broker to deposit additional funds to avoid a Stop Out or to close losing positions, if the equity or margin ratio reaches a certain level. stop out is defined as the forced closure of an order, when the equity or margin ratio is less than a certain level, to avoid a situation in which the client would owe the company money due to a negative fund balance of the trading account. If you have several open positions, the greatest loss making position is forcefully closed first. This is stated in the terms and conditions or the end user agreement before one opens an account with any forex broker.

      Many forex traders experience margin call because their margin percentage has decreased or dropped below what is acceptable or covered by their forex broker, this is why they are closed, this is actually programmed automatically into their system, they don't need to monitor each traders account individually to accomplish this.


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